Too Perfect: When Being in Control Gets Out of Control
Author: Allan E. Mallinger, M.D. and Jeannette DeWyze
I'm finding this book cuts so close that I'm wincing my way through it. It's difficult for me to read - not because it drags or it's poorly written (it's not), but because I'm recognizing myself in ways that are not completely comfortable.
I bought this book because of the chapter on Demand Resistance, which I believe is the main reason I procrastinate. Demand resistance is a component of the obsessive personality style, as is perfectionism. Both cause procrastination.
I'll post more about this book as I get farther into it. I can only bear to read a few pages at a time.
- By pro at 17 Aug 2006 - 7:53am
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My belated review of "Too Perfect"
Have you ever gone out and bought a full CD because of one track on the radio you loved? And found that it was the only track on the CD you liked at all?
Ok, I bought "Too Perfect", and it was all about an interesting type of person, many of whom I number among my friends. And some problems they have, that are fascinating, in a "watching the aftermath of an auto accident" kind of way.
But I'm not one of them.
The chapter on Demand Sensitivity and Demand Resistance were indeed all that, and I'm glad I have the book. Because those chapters ABSOLUTELY apply to me, in every detail. Those parts that apply only weakly to me, apply strongly to my wife, and vice versa.
And I've learned more about wanting and identity than I'd ever considered before.
But the rest of the book simply isn't relevant. I may be a compulsive personality, but I'm not all that obsessive. At least not in the sense Mallinger uses.
It's got me wondering if he might write a companion volume for people like me, with more on Demand Resistance and on what other traits might be related. I wonder what he'd call us...
Thanks, Pro, for recommending this book to us. I have found something nifty that I posted on another thread which I hope will be all that for some here! (search for The Printable CEO)
retrosteve
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Every year that goes by leaves me a little bit good at a few more things, and no closer to fulfilling my promise. I hate birthdays.
Too Perfect - retrosteve
Your comments on Too Perfect are so interesting to me because my experience with the book is exactly the opposite of yours. The demand resistance part didn't apply to me so much as the obsessive stuff. Interesting . . .
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Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of. - Benjamin Franklin
to Journey
Journey, my next theory goes that procrastination may be a part of an obsessive personality (as Mallinger details) or also of another type (that I am), call it a compulsive type for want of a better word.
I definitely feel Demand Resistance and Demand Sensitivity, more than those around me. And it's part of a lot of other weird personality and cognitive distortions that Mallinger doesn't describe, but someone else may.
Maybe we could, as part of this board, start collecting some of those and write a companion volume to "Too Perfect". Or help Mallinger do so.
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Every year that goes by leaves me a little bit good at a few more things, and no closer to fulfilling my promise. I hate birthdays.
obsessive vs. compulsive
I'm definitely the obsessive type - ask my family how many times I check to make sure the door is locked before we can leave the house lol!
Journey
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Dost thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of. - Benjamin Franklin
Too Perfect = Too Right!
This book is right on the money - I just read the part about obsessive people not being able to enjoy leisure time, feeling like they have to always be productive and that's so true for me.
My husband gets up early on the weekends and works really hard getting his chores done early, then he can just watch tv, or play golf, or chat on the phone for the rest of the day and really enjoy it. I've always wondered why I can't do that - I can only enjoy goofing off when it's time "stolen" from something else.
This morning I slept late, laid around in bed drinking coffee and watching tv and tried to just relax and enjoy it instead of berating myself for not working. Maybe I can be more productive during work time if I can allow myself some relaxation time.
It's weird, it's like I'm not comfortable with unplanned time. If I have nothing that NEEDs to be done, I don't know what to do with myself.
J.
Almost finished
I'm almost finished and have found this book to have a lot of helpful insights. I'll reread it with an "action" intention next time instead of the "learning" one I've been using.
The only downside is I'd like to give a copy to pretty much every member of my extended family!! But the whole demand-sensitivity/resistance... Dang it. :P
too perfect
Ouch! Sounds like I need to read this book. I predict a Barnes & Noble stop on the way home.
J.
this book totally blew my mind
...but you knew that, if you read the comments I already posted.
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Procrastination is the grave in which opportunity is buried.
i saw that
Yes, I saw that it had hit you pretty hard. It spoke to me similarly. Very enlightening.
I've finished it now and have indeed started rereading--slower, with the intent of DOING more of what it says.
too perfect
I ordered this book from half.com over the weekend. Should be here next week!
J.
too perfect
The book arrived tonight!
J.
OMG - too perfect
Well so far this guy has described my childhood perfectly - and I have about 85% of the character traits he listed - too bad I have overcome the "neat freak" part of my personality.
J.
lol!
Me too! I just retained my need to be right, my need for control, and my procrastination abilities.. ;)
I'm glad it's been insightful so far...
~lad
oh no
i have not read the book but now I have to: the need to be right, the need for control, procrastination? egad, its me!
oh yes!
It's so close to the mark for me it's almost painful. I can't wait to get back home tonight and read more. I'm like: 'does this guy KNOW me?'
J.
detailed TOC for "Too Perfect"
I thought I'd post a detailed Table of Contents for "Too Perfect" (with sections). This gives a good overview, and helps me to remember the contents.
Crap
Now I have to order it, too.
ok
going to order that book
Perfectionsim and Demand Resistance
Pro wrote in reponse to one of my self-tattling posts: 'Demand Resistance is often to yourself. Mallinger talks about this in his book. It comes from turning every "want" into a "should" (because you don't want to be so selfish as to want anything).' Wow. That's it! I don't believe, deep down, that I should have any needs or wants. Having needs or wants makes one very, very vulnerable, because those needs and wants can be denied or taken away, which is terribly frightening (though, in my case at the moment, the fear that I can imagine feels like archaic fear--fear that would be appropriate to a small child). It also makes one vulnerable because others might perceive you as weak or undesirable because of those needs, or foolish and not to be taken seriously because of one's wishes. Obviously, I must have gone through all this as a child or it wouldn't resonate so deeply with me (I did). Even worse, for me, than not getting my needs met/having what I need taken away or than being perceived as silly and inconsequential, was the intense RAGE I felt at being treated this way. As a child it made me feel utterly unglued to have such intense anger, and worse to not be allowed to express it--and infuriating to be even more in trouble (ridiculed and rejected, and spanked if I persisted) for objecting to being stifled. And if I cried in frustration and outrage, then my father would say, "I'll ~give~ you something to cry about!" Anyhow, this is relics of the past and all, but it strikes me that I am still operating out of the notion that I must not ever admit to any needs or wishes. Not to myself, and certainly not to anyone else. Perfectionsim creeps in to cover what's going on underneath- either to cover it up to outsiders or to make up for it on the inside. I "should" and "ought" myself continuously--and then I balk and rebel against myself! Grr!
it's more than that
It's not just the codependency element. Mallinger has an earth shattering insight about this (for me, anyway). He points out that when you don't know what you want, you don't know who you are. And when you don't know who you are, you are easily overrun and it is THIS that causes demand resistance. You resist demands - even demands that are only in your mind or self-imposed - in an attempt to "be", assert your existance and power. People like us have so little sense of self that we feel at risk of disappearing if we concede to demands. The solution is to develop your sense of self by constantly - all throughout the day - asking yourself what YOU WANT in that moment.
I've started doing this, and it's really helping me.
Okay this is scary close
My first post.
Thanks, Pro, for bringing this book to our attention and for this excerpt. Wow that is very close to me. And I've never thought of it as being a missing sense of self, but I can certainly see that I never know what I want.
And the perverse sense of empowerment that comes with resisting demands, even my own, is absolutely there. So I will accept this insight for now, and see how I do with A.M.'s solution until the book arrives!
Thanks so much for running this board and bringing out this possibility for more of us.
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Every year that goes by leaves me a little bit good at a few more things, and no closer to fulfilling my promise. I hate birthdays.
Too Perfect and welcome to RetroSteve
I'm reading this book now. Actually I had to stop reading it for a while because it was just too intense! I'm digesting it a chapter at a time. It's very enlightening.
J.
the shock of recognition
I found this book scary close, too - very scary close.
You are welcome for the board. I'm so glad that others find this board helpful, because others being here helps me, too.
Your tag line is... well, kind of sad! Maybe now you will start to move closer to fulfilling your promise.
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Procrastination is the grave in which opportunity is buried.
This is resonating, Pro. Thank you!
"when you don't know what you want, you don't know who you are. And when you don't know who you are, you are easily overrun and it is THIS that causes demand resistance. You resist demands - even demands that are only in your mind or self-imposed - in an attempt to "be", assert your existance and power."
WOW.
"The solution is to develop your sense of self by constantly - all throughout the day - asking yourself what YOU WANT in that moment."
OK. Let's do it.
This strikes a cord
I don't know what I really want most of the time
Double bind
This is true: "we feel at risk of disappearing if we concede to demands." And since it's equally true for me that I feel I will cease to exist (get the boot) if I assert myself, then what a dilemma! The only solution is to procrastinate, to linger in limbo. And that, sadly, is simply another way of disappearing.
nonsense!
There is a solution, slider, you're just not seeing it. Another thing Mallinger says is that obsessives are big on denial - insisting there's no solution when there is one.
Well, Natch!
That is, after all, why we're here! I just meant that it often ~appears~ that way because I get stuck in a stinkin' thinkin' rut. Getting more conscious is always a goal, and once conscious, then any number of options may be discernable.
And do you know?
In moments of despair I can't even answer that question. When I'm feeling frivolous, I come up with flippant answers. Hmm--at least the flip ones are responses. They don't hurt anything.
I often can't answer it, either
I often can't answer it, either, and that's the problem. We don't know what we want; we don't have a strong sense of self. But when you keep asking yourself what you want, you slowly get back in touch with it, and then the demand resistance starts to ease. I'm experiencing it!
That's encouraging!
It's good to see other people's experiences and learn how things work. Thanks.
essense of "Too Perfect"
This book describes and suggests some solutions for the obsessive-compuslive personality type. This is distinct from obsessive-compulsive personality DISORDER. He's not talking about people with OCD, but rather people who have this personality type.
The core of it is a desire for control to ensure safe passage through life. The need for control can manifest in three areas:
1. Self-control.
2. Control over others.
3. Control over Life's Impersonal Events (fantasy of the "Cosmic Scorekeeper").
All the problems associated with the obsessive-compulsive personality type arise from one of these three areas of trying to assert control. The ramifications are numerous, and the author describes each in turn. For me it's like looking in a mirror - it's bizarre. The table of contents serves as an overview:
This book is well worth reading. Procrastination is a common manifestation of this personality type, so many people here probably will share my identification with it. I'm finding the book very helpful - a little disturbing, but very helpful. It's explaining all kinds of problems in my life that I didn't realize were part of the same core personality style. It also very closely describes my most recent ex-partner.
Disturbing book
It seems to have been creating a shake-up. Maybe Slider was right, and that your recent feelings of being very down are a precursor to some insights about yourself. It's happened to me in the past and although it was extremely unpleasant (to say the least) at the time, in the end it was worth it.
soul searching
I certainly am doing a lot of soul searching lately.
There's a saying that people change when the pain of doing what they've been doing becomes greater than the pain of changing. That's about where I am now!
Yes!
I wholeheartedly agree with that one!
my reading is slowing up
I think this book was disturbing to me because I've stopped reading it. I'm going to try to get back to it. I haven't read the chapter on demand resistance yet because I want to read the book from front to back rather than jump around (perfectionism again, I guess!).
commitment phobia-planning
I think the whole commitment-phobia-planning thing has to do with deadlines for boring tasks building up. When I don't want to do all the stuff that must be done but doesn't contribute to my ultimate vision (only tangentially), and then I am asked to a social event or asked to make a nonessential appt, I cannot commit, because I am hoping I may be close to the point of finishing the BORING "errands" or "busy work" and finally onto what defines me at work. This is why it is an existential issue in terms of prioritizing. This book was very disturbing in helping me realize the negative side of it all.
I need an upbeat book without busy work strategies like making calendars, reporting to others. Rather, I am working on getting back to why I fell in love with what I do, and that seems to be working. Can someone recommend the antidote for this book. My problem came about after experience a very scary traumatic event in the work place I loved.
Right now, I am just doing it and doing better, like getting back on a plane. I sort of need a book like a little cheerleader. I need the very best (motivating) book out there. I was really good before. It is sad. Please help!
Books
Neshema thanks very much for your feedback on this book. I'd been considering getting it, but given the length of time US books take to get to me I thought I'd wait and see what others had to say about it first! Has anyone else read it yet?
As for motivational books, it really is a very personal thing. I find yoga texts very motivating, partly because they talk about values, and give techniques for dealing with all sorts of mind-stuff (like unhelpful thoughts that pop up when you least need them) but I'm sure it's also because yoga is the thing I love! Can you read something inspirational written by professionals in your field of work? I'm not sure if it would be appropriate in your field of work. In the meantime I'll have a think and see if there's anything else in my extensive library that I've found helpful!
Let us know how you get on, and do post another thread if you find another useful book.

new thread
Hi Neshema,
This forum software doesn't have the ability to split off messages to start new threads and this message from you has nothing to do with the thread it's posted in (about the book "Too Perfect"). Could you re-post your message in the Questions section, as a new topic?
Thanks.
sorry, I wrote it after
sorry, I wrote it after reading the book.
To Pro
Pro
I am new and not sure why you do not think this has anything to do with with the book.
I wrote
"This book was very disturbing in helping me realize the negative side of it all."
What I wrote was based on a whole section of the book.
I am sorry if my comments are not appropriate for this site. I recommend 7 Habits over Too Perfect...it's a positive approach to dealing with people and will encourage them to come back. Good luck with your site.
Sorry Neshema
I didn't mean to chase you away. Maybe I didn't read your message carefully enough, but it seemed to be unrelated. In any case, I thought you'd get more answers to your questions if you posted the message as a new topic. Otherwise it's buried at the end of a thread that already has a lot of messages.
P.S....
....I really need to add this, cranky as it sounds (and it *is* cranky)...
I've been the webmaster of other forums, and I have run out of patience with people being extremely thin-skinned and ascribing all kinds of unfair thoughts and feelings to me. I'm sick to death of being made a target simply because I was the one who set up the forum, and I'm not going to take it anymore. I was just trying to get you to post in a place that would keep the forum more organized and ensure you got more answers. If you don't like that, then I'm very happy for you to go find another forum that suits your needs better.
The target is OFF. I'm not taking it anymore!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry you feel that way
It's a shame if you feel you are the target of unfair thoughts and feelings.
What has made you feel a target? We have had some disagreements amongst us but I don't think you have been specifically targeted in an unfair manner (since I've been around, anyway ;)).
Perhaps if we try to read people's posts from a different perspective it might not read as an attack after all. Give people the benefit of the doubt and imagine them smiling as you read their posts. That can help to eliminate negative interpretations of what is written
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target
I've been victimized quite a bit in a different forum in which I'm the webmaster - not so much this one. But I can see that attitude of kicking the "authority" from a mile away. People seem to bring all their mother and father issues with them to forums, and then attack the webmaster for existing.
Maybe I need to take a break from all forums for a little while. Or maybe I just need to ignore the pettish messages.
Random thought
Have you considered using 2 different user names to represent each of the two "hats" you wear at this site. One pro is the site admin and the other Pro is the one seeking help and offering experience, strength, and hope.
Good idea
I agree, that might work well.
Ignoring works well, too ;)
interesting ideas
Two usernames is an interesting idea. Hmmm... Might be too late for that, though.
Learning to ignore is probably the most practical approach. That's a skill I need to develop.
To Pro
I hope that made you feel better. How sad. Did you see what I wrote?
"My problem came about after experience a very scary traumatic event in the work place I loved."
I was the victim of a crime at work. I won't ever let anyone hurt me again. I am doing all I can to get back on track.
I applaud you for not taking it anymore, but you might want to find a healthier way to vent your emotions than finding a vulnerable person who was just looking for some answers. You say you don't want to be a target. Then why try to make others your target? Your post had nothing to do with the book, but might have a lot to do with books about setting boundaries and letting go. Here is a great book you might find helpful. I loved it. It is called "Change your Mind and Change your Life" by Karen Casey. I hope you find some peace in it. I truly recommend it out of love and peace. Let your bad experiences help you learn to be a vehicle for peace. I wish you peace, love, and serenity on your journey.